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awesome post bro. you said what i couldn’t be bother typing.
you shouldn’t be blaming the audio chip though. i’m almost certain the audio chip will be fine. the issue here is purely the frequency repsonse of the loudspeakers, in that they probably have a terrible range and thus anything over a certain volume pushed thorugh them will just result in pure noise rather than audible sound.
the curve proivided earlier int he thread will compensate for the higher and lower frequencies that the speaker diaphraghm is unable to produce to a degree, but at the end of the day, you are still sjut overloading a tiny speaker with frequencies it can’t even think about producing.
a ten quid sound card will be equally as good at generating frequencies as an a thousand quid audio interface will at the same bitrate and frequency (i know, ive tested a LOT of them and even recorded professionally using the humble line in on integrated motherboard soundcards and my peers were unable to locate a difference). once you hit speaker cable, it’s all about crossover frequency and a diaphraghm’s response curve. if you plug the nc10 into a spectral analyser you would get very near the same curve you would from any sound card. it’s all about the aplification and speakers used.
i have always wished they didnt put speakers in portable computers so people aren’t tempeted to “make do” with them and ultimately come to think crap sound is acceptable.
Honestly, I couldn’t tell you because, as yet, I haven’t played any reference material (or much of anything) through it. I agree, though–motherboard audio has been gotten very good in recent times. Just two years ago the quality still lagged somewhat behind in notebook audio (either that, or my Toshiba notebook used legacy hardware). However, desktop IA from that same period was quite impressive. I guess after a certain point there’s only so many ways to make a sound circuit, and after a while, a standardized, high quality layout gets used more or less everywhere.
Just as an unrelated side note, did you ever notice that words that get censored out with asterisks show up uncensored when you quote the person who posted them? I just saw that when I quoted your post.December 4, 2008 at 9:19 pm in reply to: Unbiased review of netbooks still excludes Samsung NC10 #173733
I wonder if the lack of stock is a factor in this – if Samsung are getting more demand for their products than they can supply, there’s no need for promotion at this time. They may even have asked the press not to mention the NC10, and have almost certainly not sent any units out for review.
I suspect Samsung really weren’t expecting it to sell so well and it’s thrown them for a loop. I wouldn’t be surprised if stock that was meant for the US has gone to other countries with bigger backlogs. I’m sure, however, that they are keen to take a piece of the US market pie and will do so as soon as they are able to meet demand.
As you may know, Samsung is just now entering the US market. I’m too young to remember if they ever had a presence here in the past or if this is the first time they’ve ever made an effort, but their components have been available here for a long time and are popular with OEMs. You may very well be right in that Samsung didn’t expect such a strong US response–after all, they released the NC10 in Europe several months before it was in stock here.
What’s astounding is the way these things have sold in the US without any major reviews anywhere (at its peak, the blue NC10 was #4 in Computers on the US Amazon site, and it has sold out about three times already). The name definitely helps–Samsung has had runaway success with its line of LCD HDTVs here, which get high marks from pretty much everybody who has reviewed one. Many Americans have probably not even heard of Acer or Asus (ironically), but would recognize the name Samsung immediately.
We’ll see what happens in the coming weeks.
EDIT: Yowza! Why did Amazon autolink?(!) New forum feature, jez?December 4, 2008 at 9:08 pm in reply to: Unbiased review of netbooks still excludes Samsung NC10 #173732
I was leafing through the U.S edition of PC world magazine here in London today and surprise of surprises … in a review of best netbooks …not even a passing mention of the Samsung NC10 !!!!
I saw that article…there was an inset on one page for Samsung ultraportables, and there the author mentioned that though they had wanted to review the NC10, but they didn’t get a unit shipped to them in time. I’ve been to PCW’s website several times since then (including just yesterday) and still there’s no review.
Ah, well…more NC10s for us, then. 🙂 Seriously, though, I want Samsung to succeed with this product. It is a bit troubling that there is so little coverage. At least on my side of the pond (America), the media are extremely political (and extremely one-sided, but that’s not for this forum)–maybe Samsung displeased some partisans somewhere?
I dunno. I think it’s up to us users to write reviews, write blogs, and form communities, and maybe the media will take note of our passion and throw us a bone.
As an audiophile and amateur sound engineer/music producer, these settings are very familiar–human hearing initially perceives boosted bass and treble (with notched midrange) as better sounding. Therefore, many times cheap systems will hike these qualities in their hardware and include preset EQs that more or less achieve this effect (e.g. Samsung EDS). However, it is poorly balanced and usually results in ear fatigue during an extended listening session. It is also not faithful to the original audio source.
The goal of audio production (or what is used to be before the loudness wars started) is to create the purest, most natural reproduction of the original source possible. However, even the best-produced recording will be colored by a low-grade amp or audio circuit. Equalizers are intended to compensate for the shortfalls of either the circuitry or the speakers used to reproduce the signal, but in order to use EQ effectively, one needs to know where the frequency response of the hardware deviates from a flat line. Therefore, until somebody empirically measures the frequency response of the NC10’s audio circuitry, I would take any “correcting” EQ with a grain of salt–particularly those that hike bass and treble and notch midrange.
And, though I hope it’s implied, the above doesn’t even apply with built-in notebook speakers because they’re simply far too small to ever produce good sound quality, no matter what you do with them. My comments are directed at the audio chip itself.
Hmm…that reminded me I hadn’t resized my own page file yet. The way I usually do it is:
-Eliminate the page file (reboot where prompted)–a Low Virtual Memory message will probably appear when you log in
-Set a custom size of 2 MB minimum, and 256 MB maximum
Windows immediately grows the PF (in my case this last time, up to 18 MB), and then only as it needs it. Maybe that’s where your fragmentation is coming from, if you didn’t delete the PF before resizing it. In any event, you’re right about the Windows defrag tool–often times I’ve had it where there are “knots” of files that just won’t defragment.
I happen to use Defraggler myself. It’s made by the same inspired folks who brought us CCleaner, and it usually does a pretty good job.
Hmm…1024×768. Netbook displays top out at 1024×600, but the graphics hardware itself is more than capable of running 1024×768. It’s just a question of whether or not the program will have trouble with the smaller vertical resolution, like if it’s hard-coded to not run on anything smaller than the minimum amount.
depends on how much you sweat (srsly).
you see the same thing on guitar fretboards.
I must sweat quite a bit then. 🙂December 4, 2008 at 7:15 pm in reply to: Only new to this and want to know what i should do… #173273
i was in PC world the day and they were doing an offer of vista for Â£50 with any laptop or pc. What i was wondering will this run ok on the NC10, i know there is loads of threads about vista, but to be honest i dont have a clue about computers at all and would like to know should i go for this!
most important thing though im getting one of these for xmas, still havent decided between blue and black 🙂
If you were considering running Vista on an NC10, you’d almost certainly want to upgrade the RAM to 2 GB. You could probably have this done in the shop where you purchase the machine, or else do it yourself if you’re up to the task. It’s not too difficult, but keep in mind that there is only one RAM slot in this unit. Sometimes 2 GB of memory is sold in pairs of 1 GB modules, which won’t do you any good.
But getting back to Vista, you could check out this thread in this forum. Seriously, though, I would say that unless you have a really good reason to upgrade to Vista, sticking with XP would be your best bet. It’s less resource-intensive, more compatible with legacy hardware and software, and frankly you’re not missing much with Vista.
Keep in mind I’m not one of those all-too-common Vista bashers who have never even used the OS but just repeat what they hear–I’ve had Vista on two of my computers, and ultimately I wasn’t terribly impressed. There was nothing about Vista that made it a compelling upgrade, and the user permissions model is horribly broken (e.g. sometimes you can’t do administrator-level tasks, even if you have an Administrator account and “grant” yourself permission–you need to do a total system reboot).
As far as Vista on an NC10, I wouldn’t recommend it, if only because it’s not really worth the risk of complications.
Maybe I’ll just give up on black in the States and get the blue….
Sounds like a good idea. 😉
Another OO.o v3 user here, and I can confirm that it works perfectly (if a little microscopically) on an NC10. Case in point for the parenthetical phrase, the other day I was viewing a PowerPoint presentation for my psych class and I had the Notes view open. The default zoom was always small but usable on my 15.4″ Toshiba–on the NC10 the slide was so small it was ridiculous. A quick zoom level adjustment fixed that.
I’d say go ahead and give OO.o a whirl–after all, it’s free! Plus, I imagine it’s probably less resource-intensive than Office 2007 (i.e. less flashy interface), but then, I have absolutely no data to back that up.
It’s interesting this should come up because my household is currently undergoing a Sony => Samsung transition of sorts. When we got our first really big TV (in 2000), of all the choices the Sony apparently looked the best (though I must say I never much liked that TV, as I typically dislike anything projection-based). Recently, in our final relent to the coming HD standard, we looked several times in our local Best Buy (which just opened last year and is three minutes from my house) and came away with…
…a Samsung! The LN52A750, to be exact, 52″ of absolute LCD perfection. It calibrated almost perfectly, and though as yet we STILL don’t have HD service (for various reasons that will likely devolve into a rant about AT&T if I get into it) I have never seen TV quite the way it looks on that Samsung. Now, the last card to fall will be that old Sony DVD/VHS player sitting under the Sammy, which will be replaced with a Blu-Ray player by…
…you guessed it, Samsung! Which is the ultimate slap in the face, considering Sony piloted the Blu-Ray format.
I’ve always liked Samsung. I have an old, circa 2002 17″ LCD monitor from Samsung that, to this day, still has better text display than anything I’ve seen for less than four figures. I’ve had various Samsung components in my computers, and many of them have outlasted the machines in which they worked. And now, of course, I have an NC10. Hopefully it will live up to the durability and performance I associate with this brand.
Sony isn’t horrible, IMO, but I do think that they’re sort of like the working man’s Apple–you pay a little more for the name, and you don’t necessarily get anything more for your money.
Now if Samsung would just attack the audiophile market… 🙂
I have three currently running computers, one of which is a desktop:
Desktop vitals (music production rig):
-2.6 GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+
-320 GB Seagate HDD (media drive)
-160 GB WD HDD (OS drive)
-2 GB PC2-4200 DDR2 RAM
-nForce 4 motherboard (using IG)
-Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer sound card
Not particularly exciting, considering it was an OEM system to which I added a few things. It’s also absolutely anemic by today’s standards, but it still powers through audio rendering fairly well, which is pretty much all I use it for these days. I need it to be rock solid stable, so I do all my experimenting on other systems.
The OS drive has XP Pro (my primary OS because Cubase SE3 doesn’t run on Vista), Vista Home Premium, and Ubuntu Linux 8.10 (as a fail-safe in case XP gets corrupted and I need to access my files).
I also have the remnants of my old system, which (sadly) died a mysterious and unidentified death early this past summer:
Old Desktop (“Leviathan”):
-Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood) 2.4 GHz
-80 GB WD HDD (OS)
-120 GB WD HDD (media drone)
-512 MB PC-2700 DDR RAM
-64 MB NVIDIA GForce 2
-Intel reference D845PEBT2 motherboard
Wow. Back in 2002, this was pretty decent. Now, it’s so bad that even it decided it couldn’t compete, finally giving up the ghost after six years of faithful service. I cannibalized it for its heat sink clip, to replace the one I broke on another P4-based system (does anybody remember those things? I’d like the ring the neck of the guy who decided to make them out of thin, weak plastic!).
I was never a gamer, so I never cared much about graphics–I’m more of an audio guy. And I really didn’t discover much about computers until the past two years, so I’ve never built one of my own yet. That’s a project yet to come. 🙂
That was the purpose of Jez taking sammynetbook.com instead of something general like my site, nc10users.com – I’m going to put a wiki up there for NC10 users, and perhaps we can continue it for the other series.
I definitely should have read the story about the NC11 on the front page before posting this. A rather n00bish mistake, but I guess we’re entitled to one in our lives. The trick is to not keep repeating them!
Here’s an interesting thought: what if a sudden proliferation of netbooks causes such a swell in the market that the laws in GB might have to be changed to accommodate it? I really don’t know much about it since I live in the US, but I’ve read about how restrictive things are across the pond. If, however, a substantial portion of computers suddenly didn’t have disc drives, wouldn’t that be rather unfair to people with said hardware?
Just a thought. Feel free to beat it down as you like.