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After some further testing I can now play 1080p movies with no skipping and good perfomance, I have tested all kinds of formats .wmv, .mov, .mkv, .mp4. It actually works! Amazing…
What I use is:
Windows Media Player Classic
K-Lite Basic (installed without H264 because of Core AVC)
Core AVC ProIt is seriously cool that this little machine can be used as a fully fledged “media player” and connect it to the big screen and watch full HD 1080p in all its glory!
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After some further testing I can now play 1080p movies with no skipping and good perfomance, I have tested all kinds of formats .wmv, .mov, .mkv, .mp4. It actually works! Amazing…What I use is:
Windows Media Player Classic
K-Lite Basic (installed without H264 because of Core AVC)
Core AVC ProIt is seriously cool that this little machine can be used as a fully fledged “media player” and connect it to the big screen and watch full HD 1080p in all its glory!
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How exactly did you manage to playback 1080p in the formats provided without stuttering playback or dropped frames? I have tested a similar setup to yours, MPC – HC and Core AVC Pro, yet have experienced dropped frames with all the files tested. Some of the files I tested are “The Dark Knight” in a 1080p H.264 mkv file and also “The Ant Bully” in a .m2ts file from a Blu-ray disc.Well, this I wonder myself because I couldn’t play back 1080p before but I decided to do some research and reinstall K-Lite and Core AVC Pro with the “right” settings.
I have tested the Dark Knight trailers (.mkv) and several other trailers in different formats.
From what I can see it runs smoothly but what do you mean by dropped frames? Is that something you can see or something you get reported by some program?I do use “Deblocking”: Skip always in Core AVC – perhaps that’s cheating? I can however not see the difference 😉
I do not use Media Player Classic Home Cinema version because I found that to be a bit slower, I use the regular Media Player Classic (ver. 6.4.9.0)
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[quote1233915239=Freddy]
After some further testing I can now play 1080p movies with no skipping and good perfomance, I have tested all kinds of formats .wmv, .mov, .mkv, .mp4. It actually works! Amazing…What I use is:
Windows Media Player Classic
K-Lite Basic (installed without H264 because of Core AVC)
Core AVC ProIt is seriously cool that this little machine can be used as a fully fledged “media player” and connect it to the big screen and watch full HD 1080p in all its glory!
[/quote1233915239]
How exactly did you manage to playback 1080p in the formats provided without stuttering playback or dropped frames? I have tested a similar setup to yours, MPC – HC and Core AVC Pro, yet have experienced dropped frames with all the files tested. Some of the files I tested are “The Dark Knight” in a 1080p H.264 mkv file and also “The Ant Bully” in a .m2ts file from a Blu-ray disc.
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Well, this I wonder myself because I couldn’t play back 1080p before but I decided to do some research and reinstall K-Lite and Core AVC Pro with the “right” settings.I have tested the Dark Knight trailers (.mkv) and several other trailers in different formats.
From what I can see it runs smoothly but what do you mean by dropped frames? Is that something you can see or something you get reported by some program?I do use “Deblocking”: Skip always in Core AVC – perhaps that’s cheating? I can however not see the difference 😉
I do not use Media Player Classic Home Cinema version because I found that to be a bit slower, I use the regular Media Player Classic (ver. 6.4.9.0)
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Skipping deblocking isn’t cheating at all; I use it myself too depending on the file.I can watch the 1080p H.264 mkv file of “The Dark Knight”, that I mentioned in my last post, on my NC10 using CoreAVC and MPC – HC, however, frames are dropped while it is being played. What MPC – HC is doing in this regard is that, instead of playing all frames of the file, i.e. 23.97 fps, it is playing as many as it can without losing sync, so only approximately 15 fps are being played back. While it may look as if playback is smooth, this is only a result of MPC – HC dropping frames in order to do give that illusion. I would imagine this is more than likely the same situation you are in with MPC.
I use VMR-9 as the renderer in MPC – HC and I also use XP. If you are also using the same, bar MPC – HC of course, you can see how many frames of your 1080p file are being played back in MPC by selecting from the tool-bar “Play => Filters => Video Mixing Render 9 (Renderless) => Frames dropped in Rendererâ€.
Checked, and I get as follows:
Frames dropped in Renderer: 0
Average frame rate achieved: 23.81, 24.96 – value fluctuates around these frame rates.Tested this on a 1080p .mp4 trailer of “I am Legend”. Test also performed on trailers of The Dark Knight and Terminator 2 and I get about the same values. For T2 I get a bit lower – around 23fps – but this is a .wmv file.
But for Video I’m not using the “Video Mixing Render 9 (Renderless)” but rather “System default” with my settings is Core AVC Video Renderer.
If I change my Video output to “Video Mixing Render 9 (Renderless)” then I get like 390-400 frame drops or higher.
[quote1233922493=Rsaeire]
[quote1233918693=Freddy]
Well, this I wonder myself because I couldn’t play back 1080p before but I decided to do some research and reinstall K-Lite and Core AVC Pro with the “right” settings.I have tested the Dark Knight trailers (.mkv) and several other trailers in different formats.
From what I can see it runs smoothly but what do you mean by dropped frames? Is that something you can see or something you get reported by some program?I do use “Deblocking”: Skip always in Core AVC – perhaps that’s cheating? I can however not see the difference 😉
I do not use Media Player Classic Home Cinema version because I found that to be a bit slower, I use the regular Media Player Classic (ver. 6.4.9.0)
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Skipping deblocking isn’t cheating at all; I use it myself too depending on the file.I can watch the 1080p H.264 mkv file of “The Dark Knight”, that I mentioned in my last post, on my NC10 using CoreAVC and MPC – HC, however, frames are dropped while it is being played. What MPC – HC is doing in this regard is that, instead of playing all frames of the file, i.e. 23.97 fps, it is playing as many as it can without losing sync, so only approximately 15 fps are being played back. While it may look as if playback is smooth, this is only a result of MPC – HC dropping frames in order to do give that illusion. I would imagine this is more than likely the same situation you are in with MPC.
I use VMR-9 as the renderer in MPC – HC and I also use XP. If you are also using the same, bar MPC – HC of course, you can see how many frames of your 1080p file are being played back in MPC by selecting from the tool-bar “Play => Filters => Video Mixing Render 9 (Renderless) => Frames dropped in Rendererâ€.
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Checked, and I get as follows:
Frames dropped in Renderer: 0
Average frame rate achieved: 23.81, 24.96 – value fluctuates around these frame rates.Tested this on a 1080p .mp4 trailer of “I am Legend”. Test also performed on trailers of The Dark Knight and Terminator 2 and I get about the same values. For T2 I get a bit lower – around 23fps – but this is a .wmv file.
But for Video I’m not using the “Video Mixing Render 9 (Renderless)” but rather “System default” with my settings is Core AVC Video Renderer.
If I change my Video output to “Video Mixing Render 9 (Renderless)” then I get like 390-400 frame drops or higher.
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I’ll test this tonight and see what happens when I change the default video renderer to “System default†and report back.A few questions though. I know you mentioned in a previous post that you’ve played back a 1080p mkv file. Can you confirm that it is a H.264 mkv file? Also, what is the bitrate of the file and what is your CPU usage whilst playing back the same file?
Info for example on The Dark Knight trailer:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920×816 23.98fps [Video]
Audio: AAC 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]Depending on your installation System default can be different but it should be the Core AVC Video Decoder.
Bitrate I do not know, perhaps it’s lower for trailers? I have not tested a full movie, just trailers.
Where do I check bitrate and what should it be like?[quote1233928770=Rsaeire]
[quote1233928533=Freddy]
Checked, and I get as follows:
Frames dropped in Renderer: 0
Average frame rate achieved: 23.81, 24.96 – value fluctuates around these frame rates.Tested this on a 1080p .mp4 trailer of “I am Legend”. Test also performed on trailers of The Dark Knight and Terminator 2 and I get about the same values. For T2 I get a bit lower – around 23fps – but this is a .wmv file.
But for Video I’m not using the “Video Mixing Render 9 (Renderless)” but rather “System default” with my settings is Core AVC Video Renderer.
If I change my Video output to “Video Mixing Render 9 (Renderless)” then I get like 390-400 frame drops or higher.
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I’ll test this tonight and see what happens when I change the default video renderer to “System default†and report back.A few questions though. I know you mentioned in a previous post that you’ve played back a 1080p mkv file. Can you confirm that it is a H.264 mkv file? Also, what is the bitrate of the file and what is your CPU usage whilst playing back the same file?
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[quote1233933696=Freddy]
Info for example on The Dark Knight trailer:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920×816 23.98fps [Video]
Audio: AAC 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]Depending on your installation System default can be different but it should be the Core AVC Video Decoder.
Bitrate I do not know, perhaps it’s lower for trailers? I have not tested a full movie, just trailers.
Where do I check bitrate and what should it be like?
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You can find the video bitrate by selecting “File => Properties => Details tab†during playback and the video bitrate will be in the box at the bottom of the window. As you’re most likely aware, the higher the bitrate, the harder it will be for the NC10 to play.[quote1233933898=Freddy]
What I use is:
Windows Media Player Classic
K-Lite Basic (installed without H264 because of Core AVC)
Core AVC Pro[/quote1233933898]You mentioned using all the right settings. Could you provide a step by step on the installation?
Should the WMP that comes with NC10 be removed first?
How do you get the DVD movie (Dark Night for example) to a file to put on the NC10?
[quote1233947171=Freddy]
Info for example on The Dark Knight trailer:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920×816 23.98fps [Video]
Audio: AAC 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]Depending on your installation System default can be different but it should be the Core AVC Video Decoder.
Bitrate I do not know, perhaps it’s lower for trailers? I have not tested a full movie, just trailers.
Where do I check bitrate and what should it be like?
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I tested playing back a 1080p H.264 mkv file of “The Dark Knight”. Video bitrate is 11 Mbps. Unfortunately during playback frames continued to drop and the frame-rate hovered around 17 fps.If you can advise me where you sourced “The Dark Knight” trailer, I will test it out on my NC10 to see if I can mimic your results.
I’ve downloaded and installed the K-Lite Basic codec pack, and here is what i’m noticing:
720p MOV files:
1. VLC and MPC (media player classic) cannot play them smoothly, very jumpy!
2. WMP9 plays them smoothly!!1080p WMV file (downloaded from Windows website):
1. VLC and MPC starts, but hangs…..no video!
2. WMP9 plays it but skips every 5 seconds!It seems WMP9 is the better player?? with the right codec pack?
Can you guys try WMP9 with the CoreAVC codec installed, and see if it will play 1080p files smoothly?? Thanks, appreciate it!
@yammer2002: 720p should work even with the K-Lite Codec.
1080p WMV-file runs best in Windows Media Player 11 but even better in Windows Media Player Classic. Tell me what 1080p-clip you are testing and I will do the same. The clips I have tested so far is the “Disoverers” and “T2”-clip from the Microsoft Website with samples for 1080p WMV-files and they both run smoothly. The T2-clip runs better in Windows Media Player Classic, but in Windows Media Player 11 it is too slow.
I do not run WMP9, but I can test clips in WMP11 + CoreAVC. I suggest you download the latest Windows Media Player because it is much better at playing HD-content, or better still Windows Media Player Classic which is even better. Most of the times Media Player Classic and Windows Media Player 11 can play the same files with similar results but every once in a while I’ve found clips that runs much better in Media Player Classic.
Cannot find the bitrate info in Media Player Classic this way, perhaps it’s true for Media Player Classic “Home Cinema”-version. If I to File – Properties – Detailes I get as stated below i.e:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920×816 23.98fps [Video]
Audio: AAC 48000Hz 6ch [Audio][quote1233988978=Rsaeire]
[quote1233933696=Freddy]
Info for example on The Dark Knight trailer:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920×816 23.98fps [Video]
Audio: AAC 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]Depending on your installation System default can be different but it should be the Core AVC Video Decoder.
Bitrate I do not know, perhaps it’s lower for trailers? I have not tested a full movie, just trailers.
Where do I check bitrate and what should it be like?
[/quote1233933696]
You can find the video bitrate by selecting “File => Properties => Details tab†during playback and the video bitrate will be in the box at the bottom of the window. As you’re most likely aware, the higher the bitrate, the harder it will be for the NC10 to play.
[/quote1233988978]I cannot find it now so I think we should try to find a clip together so that we can test the same one. For some reason I find it hard to find 1080p trailers to download – any tips?
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[quote1233947171=Freddy]
Info for example on The Dark Knight trailer:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920×816 23.98fps [Video]
Audio: AAC 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]Depending on your installation System default can be different but it should be the Core AVC Video Decoder.
Bitrate I do not know, perhaps it’s lower for trailers? I have not tested a full movie, just trailers.
Where do I check bitrate and what should it be like?
[/quote1233947171]
I tested playing back a 1080p H.264 mkv file of “The Dark Knight”. Video bitrate is 11 Mbps. Unfortunately during playback frames continued to drop and the frame-rate hovered around 17 fps.If you can advise me where you sourced “The Dark Knight” trailer, I will test it out on my NC10 to see if I can mimic your results.
[/quote1233989324]Yes:
1. Remove all other codecs installed first.2. Install Core AVC Pro (I have ver. 1.8.5) – do not change any settings. If you don’t want to buy it I think you can download a testversion that lasts for 30 days or so. Install it with Haali Media Splitter.
3. Install K-Lite Basic ver. 4.5.3, do not install the stated “similar” functions of Haali. During install, remove support for Video H.264, but keep the other settings.
4. Install Media Player Classic ver. 6.4.9.0 (regular version, not Home Cinema).
5. In settings for Core AVC Pro: Choose Deblocking: Always.
You don’t have to remove Windows Media Player from your system, you can run both Media Player Classic and Windows Media Player – I have not found them to interfere with each other.
Now you should be all set and these are the settings I run with.
I have not tested a whole movie of The Dark Knight, just 1080P trailers and clips.
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[quote1233933898=Freddy]
What I use is:
Windows Media Player Classic
K-Lite Basic (installed without H264 because of Core AVC)
Core AVC Pro[/quote1233933898]You mentioned using all the right settings. Could you provide a step by step on the installation?
Should the WMP that comes with NC10 be removed first?
How do you get the DVD movie (Dark Night for example) to a file to put on the NC10?
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