July 23, 2014 at 9:55 am #168278
I have this problem on my NC10 XP when starting in normal way. I have googled solution and put the XP disc in an external cd drive and entered the recovery console.
The problem I have is that following the instructions in PC support the example it gives shows C:windows where as on mine it shows C:> If I enter windows it says its a wrong command. As you can tell I have never done anything like this before. Im trying to restore the missing or corrupt file from the disc. I just have one installation
Can anyone help please Im trying running the CHKDSK now while I wait for a replyJuly 23, 2014 at 11:29 am #221943July 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm #221956July 23, 2014 at 2:42 pm #221957
I finished running the chkdsk in the recovery console and it sai that there are 2 unrecoverable problems in the HD so any suggestions before I try the samsung recovery program which means going back to day oneJuly 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm #221944
Sounds like you may have a problem with the hdd. However I would proceed with the steps as detailed in the microsoft posting first and then check the hdd later when you have XP running.
Hope this helpsJuly 24, 2014 at 9:39 am #221958
Yes Ive had to do the samsung restore to day one 4 times since I bought it new Im thinking of buying a small SSD and have a go at putting XP and Linux on but Ive never had any experience doing this before.
I tried to edit the boot cfg step but it told me could not do as installation had a corrupt file.
I have an Acronis back up about one year old I was thinking of using the samsung restore back to day one then installing acronis and then trying to to restore back to a year ago. hope the old XP updates are still availableJuly 25, 2014 at 1:52 pm #221959
I managed to use the samsung restore and do a complete restore to a full image I made last year then managed to do the updates for XP so its running well now. First time I have not had to go back to day one maybe because this time the backup was on an external HDD Thanks for your helpJuly 25, 2014 at 4:14 pm #221945
gjf60 – Glad you are up and running again.
In a complete coincidence I restored an NC10 the other day and noticed that there were over 120 XP updates.
I noticed too that MSE is now not available for XP (due to XP support being withdrawn last April) so had to install AVG free instead.
If you are thinking of buying an SSD have a search through the forum as I recall quite a few posts on the subject. The posts will be old but may contain some information applicable to current SSD’s.
(enter SSD into the search box on this page)
Hope this helpsAugust 3, 2014 at 10:23 am #221960
Thanks for that
I have now downloaded Ubuntu 12.04 and have a CD using external CD on my NC10 I managed to run Ubuntu just to see what it looks like. As I understand it contains WUBI
If I install 12.04 alongside XP will I still have the samsung recovery solution available using F4 ? If not is there any way of keeping this as a quick recovery when Im on holiday.
Also I put an iso image of Ubuntu 12.04 on a toshiba usb. (not wanting to take an external CD on holiday) I managed to change the boot order in bios and the toshiba is listed there as 1st priority but still wont boot from usb. I have seen disable fast boot in the advance tab as a solution but its not listed under my advanced tab on NC10August 3, 2014 at 3:56 pm #221946sammyoneMember
IF you Install Ubuntu DIRECT… it will INITIALLY lose access to your F4 Recovery stuff – because it will over write the MBR and you will need to Uninstall Ubuntu and do a Start up Repair into Windows then follow the strategy posted in the Sticky threads for the NC10 Netbooks… BUT dont Panic….
If you start Windows and use WUBI to LOAD Ubuntu into a FOLDER (usually on the C: Drive)… it will be treated like a WINDOWS program and will NOT write anything to the MBR.
OK that sounds WEIRD… but is TRUE… Part of WUBI will change the Boot manager and give you a CHOICE of Ubuntu or Windows…
So, when you boot up your NC10, it will let you choose which OS you want to run… LOOK at the countdown timer… you SHOULD have 10 seconds to choose… if it starts STRAIGHT AWAY into Ubuntu it has gone wrong…
Let me know if it did… Please.
Another point to be considered using WUBI… The Hard Disk Drive (HDD) MUST be Defragged REGULARLY (IN WINDOWS) – it loses track of files if the HDD needs to be Defragged…
I DO NOT KNOW if this will still apply using a Solid State Drive (SSD)
To remove Ubuntu after a WUBI “install” – you go into Windows again – and use Add/Remove Programs tu Uninstall it.
About the USB Start up… To work properly… the USB Stick needs to be IN an USB slot BEFORE switching on the Netbook…. apologies if this is whate you are doing…August 3, 2014 at 4:01 pm #221940
If you install Linux to the hard disk Samsung recovery by way of F4 will not work. This is because Linux changes the MBR which is customised by Samsung.
If the usb stick won’t boot (some sticks just don’t work) use Unetbootin.
Select the distribution (Ubuntu) and Version (12.04_Live), select Diskimage radio button and then browse to your .iso. It should recocnise your usb stick letter (check it’s correct) – Press OK.
If that does not work you may need to format the stick FAT32 and try the process again.
I built a live stick the other day using Ubuntu 14.4. It’s not the fastest but it does work. They used to have a netbook remix version which was fast but alas it has been discontinued. I have an old stick with it on and it runs well although it’s not supported any more and is full of warnings LOL.
As an alternative if you get stuck have a look at RMPrepUSB. It’s a brilliant free program to build all kinds of sticks and drives. The author has several videos on Youtube explaining the program in depth. The first one is here (there are four in the series on his channel)
Sounds like you are changing the boot order priority in the bios correctly. (dont forget F10 to save and exit)
Hope this helpsAugust 4, 2014 at 10:45 am #221951
post belowAugust 4, 2014 at 10:48 am #221952
Many thanks for your replies
Now I have tried Ubuntu 12.04 I would like to install it on my NC10 along the XP which is already on as a dual boot. I have been reading this post on keeping the Samsung recovery solution https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/194518 and if I have understood it the thing to do is just to let Wubi install Ubuntu along with XP and the SRS will be still be there not from F4 but in something called a visa boot loader accessed from a grub boot menu. Im new to all this and an oldie so do you think I should just let Wubi install Ubutu and then can you tell me how to access the SRS if thats still possible.
Re the USB start up yes I have the USB inserted when swiching on. I get a rapid beeping sound when I press any key ( to activate CD/USB boot) but XP boots up and not USBAugust 4, 2014 at 8:33 pm #221941
If you install linux via wubi it won’t affect SRS F4 because it is installed within the windows environment. Incidentally last time I tried wubi it didn’t work with ubuntu since you can’t access it other than with guest access so wireless cannot be set up as root privileges are needed. I notice the wubi download link at ubuntu.com has been taken down as it has been found to not work with windows 8 too.
Interesting read of the article and links you provided however if you proceed to install ubuntu, grub will overwrite the Samsung mbr so the bootloader will not detect F4.
If you are already running dual boot, SRS F4 will not be working now?
Assuming ubuntu is installed and running alongside xp, in the event of a malfunction in that neither OS can be accessed, restoring the Samsung mbr should allow SRS to run after F4 is pressed. (only if the corruption was to hdd sector 0 (sector 0 holds the mbr and partition table).
SRS will restore the drive c: xp from the recovery partition. (the partition, approx 6GB should not be affected by the ubuntu install)
The Samsung mbr can be restored using the Samsung Admin Tool run on a bootable usb stick – use “Fix MBR” command after ctrl+alt+F10 and p/w ‘secos’ to access the hidden menus.
Or it could be replaced via dd running on a live usb stick from a previously saved .bin file.
Thats xp running but grub will need to be reinstalled / repaired and the mbr changed (dd) to get ubuntu dual booting again. Presumably your data files are saved to the d: drive so they won’t be lost by the SRS restore. The fat32 common partition between xp and ubuntu is a good idea.
Note, the recovery partition will contain a ‘day one’ version of xp so everything done since then will be lost including all the xp updates etc – unless you have an up to date SRS backup on an external drive or stick which SRS can be pointed to.
In summary, I am not aware of a method to dual boot and retain the Samsung SRS F4 function via the mbr.
There is a posting Dual Boot Fedora 10 and Windows XP with Recovery Partition where the author has modified grub to add an entry for the recovery partition. This is not the same as the F4 key function and will only work if grub is able to boot up.
So it’s quite a complex and drawn out procedure to go through and it is questionable if is worth it?
It may be easier to retain backup images using Acronis or Macrium Reflect Free for example and don’t use the recovery partition.
You shouldn’t get the beeping and not sure what you mean by pressing any key?
This is the boot order set on my machine with a Sandisk 4GB stick inserted:
[Boot priority order]
1. USB HDD: SanDisK
2. USB CD : N/A
3. IDE HDD: SAMSUNG HM160HI
4. USB KEY: N/A
5. PCI BEV: N/A
6. USB FDD: N/A
[Excluded from boot order]
-USB ZIP : N/A
-USB LS120: N/A
-PCI SCSI : N/A
-Other USB: N/A
-PCI : N/A
Hope this helps
ps I’m an oldie too 🙂August 6, 2014 at 2:28 pm #221953
Thanks for you reply
Well I have tried Unetbootin and other programs and still not suceeded in booting from a USB The the disc I am using to try and make a bootable USB contains Ubuntu 12.04 and wubi.exe is contained within the iso. I had previously put this in an external cd drive and ran Ubuntu on my NC10 without installing by pressing any key as my NC10 was booting up (I understand this is the way to get it to boot from a CD.)
After that I changed the boot order in bios and it looks like the example of yours above. Still no luck with my Toshiba usb so I used my Kingston with nothing else on but an iso of the Ubuntu and wubi and I got a no operating system message top left of screen with this inserted on pressing power button.
In both cases after changing the boot order I have beeping and a white sectioned line or blocks loading at he bottom of the screen for 10 sec or so and then XP boots up. I have since changed the boot order back to default and saved F10 and it still beeps. Any suggestions of how to make it stop.
I think your right maybe the Samsung recovery is not worth it although I have had to use it several times since I bought new once while on holiday with no CD drive. I do have Acronis v 11.0 and have backups which I could use at home but again never been able to create a bootable usb and I think there is some issue with that other people have had.
So I think what I would like to do now is to install Ubuntu 12.04 along with XP as a dual boot. When I bought my NC10 I just let it do the default partition 50/50 so I have a 70GB C partition with about 10GB used and a D 70GB with about 5GB used ( samsung recovery and backup) Im not sure to use wubi or not and what size to allocate to Ubuntu and XP
I will forget about the samsung recover solution for now although I do have some problems with bad sections on the HDD as well as my original corrupted win root file my original problem here.
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