January 19, 2009 at 6:43 am #179625
Thanks for confirming that it’s not Grub4Dos that Samsung has installed. I haven’t had the time to look at the MBR in detail yet but then I have realize that it won’t much matter what the MBR is for my purpose.
I am not that much interested in making use of Samsung Recovery Solution and the hidden recovery any more. I do have my own means of backup now. I am rather more interested in making use of F4 to good use.
I did a small test and I think pressing F4 at boot time does nothing more than loading the boot sector of the first primary partition. (It’s not the MBR, but the first sector of the first primary partition). So in theory, I think we can put a boot loader like Grub there and boot to a choice of our own selection. It will still print an error message saying ‘No recovery area’ but then it will start executing the boot sector code.
When I have time, I am going to move my current XP home system to the second primary partition and then install a Linux system on the first partition, making sure I install Grub on the boot sector of the partition, not the MBR and I will see what happens when I press F4 while booting. Hopefully, it will start to load the Linux system. If that works then I will try modifying the menu.lst to give me a list of options to boot even my XP system.January 21, 2009 at 1:15 pm #179631
crazystMemberQuote:making sure I install Grub on the boot sector of the partition, not the MBR and I will see what happens when I press F4 while booting
So the boot sector does not contain the MBR? I thought that’s where the MBR is located.January 21, 2009 at 2:48 pm #179600
[quote1232549138=crazyst]So the boot sector does not contain the MBR? I thought that’s where the MBR is located.[/quote1232549138]
The MBR contains a bootloader, the bootloader can also be installed to a partition instead. However you still need a bootloader in the MBR so you can chain boot the one located in the partition.January 26, 2009 at 3:50 am #179603
[quote1232941607=PanMan]Hmm is this a step in working out how to recreate the Recovery Partition I ask myself?[/quote1232941607]
The recovery partition can be recreated if you have performed a complete backup to external dvd first.January 26, 2009 at 9:48 am #179601
Does pressing the F4 button at start-up work after restoring from the backup DVD?January 26, 2009 at 12:23 pm #179604
Yes F4 works again. 🙂
You may or may not remember my post about dual booting Fedora 10 and XP and having to add a Grub entry to boot the recovery partition.
Now I have the F4 functionality back (all I lost is the initial backup, which I wouldn’t use anyway).
And during the recovery process with this method, you have an opportunity to re size the C: & D: partitions again.April 7, 2009 at 3:58 pm #179616
Apologies for bumping an old thread…
There’s a few further interesting things to note about the recovery partition. The space also contains Windows PE (winre.wim) – possibly loaded via ImageX onto a ramdisk, then booting Recovery Solution via recovery partition?
Surprisingly there are NO files relating to Samsung tools in the partition. It appears to be contained within the ‘original’ init.wcl present before you initially registered the Sammy – i.e. when you switch on the Sammy for the first time the following might happen:
– Recovery solution finds no C/D partitions – prompts you to create them – Note I haven’t had the courage to delete C and D partitions to test this out!
– Initial images are copied to the C drive
– The Sammy reboots and runs Windows for the first time using sysprep deployment tool – owner name, computer name etc are registered
– Once setup is finished, the computer reboots and ‘re-creates’ the initial image onto the recovery partition
i.e. the files init.wcl and init.woo are NOT the true initial images – they are post-registration images which have overwritten the original factory images. Hence as stated by Samsung, once you use your Sammy, you can never revert to its ‘true’ factory install again (although you can still change the owner’s/computer name via registry edits)
Also discovered you can overwrite your ‘initial’ image on the recovery partition:
1. In the copied recovery partition, navigate to WinClonAdminWINCLON
2. Run AdminTool.exe
3. Select Step 3 – Initial Backup. The Sammy will reboot, and proceed to Recovery Solution, which will automatically recreate the initial image. Note next time you use Recovery Solution, you will be prompted to accept its EULA again.
This might become a handy feature – create your own ‘custom’ installation, and back it up into your recovery space (as long it’s less than 6GB), i.e. you can potentially no longer worry about reserving a D partition for recovery. Drawback is you will lose your ‘initial’ image unless you have made a backup beforehand.
I still haven’t figured how to mount the recovery partition in Windows or write files into it. If anyone has further advances this will be appreciated…May 3, 2009 at 5:20 pm #179634
I join to people who try to recover Samsung recovery partition.
Your comments have been a great help to me.
I deleted my recovery partition but I keep a folder of a complete backup recorded in the second partition of my hd. Logically, Samsung Recovery Solution doesn’t recognize recovery area in my computer, so that backup folder cannot be used.
I would like to know whether I could go back the computer state of that backup using that folder (despite not having recovery partiton). The folder contains this files: user1.woo – user1.wcl – user1.w01 – user1.w02 and user1.w03.
I wonder if this files are still useful to recover my computer. I cannot understand the method that Samsung Recovery Solution shows when there is not recovery partition (dvd backup). What files should the backup boot dvd contain? The backup folder I write? Does another backup program work with that files extensions?
Thank you very much in advanceMay 3, 2009 at 6:06 pm #179633
What I did with mine, is used [url=http://http://clonezilla.org/l]clonezilla[/url] to back up the orignal state, and the state when I had XP as I want it. Now I can go and try other OS’s and if I need to just restore the clonezilla image.
I used clonezilla booting from a small 128mb USB key and backed up the image to my external USB WD Passport drive, although both images are compressed and come in less than 8Gb a piece.
MikeMay 4, 2009 at 11:46 am #179617
isi – Samsung Recovery Solution III is essentially a re-branded version of WinClon, a commercial drive-imaging software. I guess one way is to restore through this program? Other than through a backup DVD created by SRS III (I’m can’t remember though if it gives an option to restore from D drive), you definitely need your recovery partition to restore any image.
Note you still need the recovery partition to create a backup DVD (which itself is capable of re-creating the recovery parition) in the first place!
Another way would be to somehow replace the user1.* files into your backup DVD directory e.g. clone the DVD into an iso, overwrite the files, then re-burn the DVD (hopefully still as a bootable DVD). I don’t think this will work for you though – each user1.w* file is up to 4GB hence probably won’t fit on a DVD anyway.
The initial restore state files by the way are named init.woo and init.wcl, not user1.*, however you can still simply rename them and they still should work.
EDIT: I hope there is a repetitive theme here to all users wanting to delete their recovery partition, but might need it later on – DON’T DELETE your recovery partition until you’ve made a DVD backup using Recovery Solution III first!July 18, 2009 at 7:49 pm #179635
Did you get F4 working after getting MBR from your friend ?
I am stuck at the same point, wanting to use F4 to restore my NC10 to original factory settings.July 31, 2009 at 9:17 am #179636
Why dont you just borrow a usb dvd writer and then use Samsung Recovery III from within windows to create the DVD backups.You can then recreate the recovery partion or recreate the COMPLETE drive including Recovery PARTITION and resize your partitions if needed.Restoring the recovery partion is only available from dvd.It does work Ive done it on an NC10 and a Samsung R505 laptop when Ive upgraded to larger hard drives.Your F4 recovery will then work,no need to mess with mbr.
DracUKJuly 31, 2009 at 9:36 am #179602
Did this work after installing Linux and overwriting the original MBR?
Though it sounds like if you were to completely wipe the drive this should work. Unfortunately this does need you to create the backup first and own a usb DVD writer drive.July 31, 2009 at 11:24 am #179637
I installed Vista first before I ever thought of making the backup dvds.I then just created the dvds to reinstall the full drive including the recovery partition and winxp.I think you can reinstall from the dvds at anytime.
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